In Pit Lane at the Australian Auto Aftermarket Expo

Tuesday, July 23, 2019

The Australian, auto aftermarket Expo, is the largest event of its kind down under a showcase for the local aftermarket industry. The expo is the closest things Australia has to the famous SEMA Show in Las Vegas or the performance racing industry show in Indianapolis. The Australian auto aftermarket expo was the largest display of vehicle repair and servicing equipment, replacement, parts tools and accessories ever held in australia. The expo was opened by visiting members of the Senate inquiry into the Australian automotive industry, a positive move for the sector according to Australian automotive aftermarket association, executive director Stewart charity well we're certainly flavor of them up at the moment with the politicians. 

Look the the Karen Sri is shutting down. Unfortunately, I think we talked about that two years ago and we said that would be a likelihood. That'S now the reality. What we're saying of the politicians is, the aftermarket is alive and well have a look around this show. This industry is got enormous scope to grow with the right government policy intervention and we can pick up some of the slack and and and some of the capacity and and and pour some of the great people that are going to be losing their jobs. When the car industry shut down, do you think you had a good hearing? Do you think they understand the the impact of this industry has on the Australian economy and can have in the future look? Certainly, we had the Senate the federal senators and crossbenchers here this morning and and they get it, we also had the Victorian industry minister speaker their breakfast. This morning she gets it. 

Unfortunately, a MacFarlane in the federal Industry Minister doesn't seem to be getting it at the moment. His solution to the industry shutdown is to pull the funding out and move on, and we think that's going to be a very, very bad idea. The minister himself was one of the few politicians it wasn't here. Today I mean is that sort of indicative of our where the government, the current government, sees this industry. Well, I've said this a couple of times. It'S really disappointing that. Unfortunately, I think Minister MacFarlane believes that when the currents were shut down, the whole industry is going to shut down and he said he's already moved on we're still going to be here. Most of our manufacturers. Don'T even supply the car industry. We'Re great at four wheel, drive components: we're great at high performance of motorsport, we're great at replacement parts, workshop tools and equipment, and none of that is sold to the three local car manufacturers say we're making automotive parts. We'Ve got an industry, that's not at capacity and can be. We just need some some vision from the federal government and we can help make it happen. So what have you been telling them? What, specifically, are you looking for from government? Okay, so we want to do a couple of things one. The first thing is a study into the the non passenger vehicle automotive manufacturing in this country, not just aftermarket we're talking truck we're talking, bus, we're talking, recreational vehicles and so on. So, let's find out how big the industry is and what it scoped to growers. The automotive transition scheme at the moment is only for the car companies in their direct supplier base. That'S significantly under subscribe, so let's widen the criteria and and let's use that money to help stimulate new innovation and so on, and we've put a couple of what we believe are very innovative and visionary projects. One is around a motorsport cluster, similar to Silverstone in the UK, where we can make Australia a center of excellence in the southern hemisphere for motorsport component companies. Put it around a racetrack, and the final thing is an aftermarket lab which is based on our friends. In the u.s. SEMA they've got to see my garage concept where it's got all the test equipment. It'S got all the rapid, prototyping and so on. 

So companies can take a product from concept through to our development, all under one roof. You mentioned the motorsport precinct and the development. I think they call the carbon fiber triangle in in the over in England. Any idea of where that might be. Is there been any discussion about where that might be centered look. We'Ve just put the proposal out there. We haven't done any feasibility in what have you there's? Obviously, a number of precincts, some new south wales and victoria and south australia for that matter, been talked about as potential sites we'd like to see this potentially being a collaborative project between a the federal government and our state government. We think it all needs to be under one roof. It doesn't need to be in any particular location. I think it needs to be near a track to get that clustering. Also, the track lends itself to dynamic testing and so on. So it makes sense. But now look no location yet where we are early days. Well, it's a very exciting project, potentially for all of us just about the show in general is here, and certainly it looks like a full house. I mean you obviously delighted about the turnout this year. We are looking at with the storm clouds over the over the automotive industry. More generally, we were a little bit concerned that it might have an impact on our show, but this show is actually bigger than the the 2013 show in Sydney we've got 420 exhibitors. Every single square inch of floor space has been sold out and we're expecting anything up to 12,000 trade visitors over the next three days. So we couldn't be happier. I think this is a real statement of the underlying strength and resilience of our industry to be able to put a trade show of this quality in this scale. On in this environment, i think, is a really positive sign for our industry. 

Moving forward, one of the politicians looking at the expo was australian motoring. Enthusiast Party senator Ricky Muir, who was certainly in his element at the show well we're here at the Australian automotive aftermarket Expo and joining us, is from the motoring enthusiast party or senator Ricky, Muir and Ricky. What are you doing here this today yeah? I think I'm doing what any good muttering theseus should be doing and I'm actually enjoying a lot of the local talent which we are witch is on show today, you'd be well and truly in your environment here, wouldn't you yeah? I really am. This isn't really like work. This is actually something I would do in my own personal time. It'S just absolutely fantastic to be. Do you think you've come here with us into the Kim car and with the Senate inquiry in the Australian automotive industry? Do you think that the the colleagues in Canberra have any idea at all of the potential that this area could have for the Australian economy? Look, that's actually a really good question. I'M not a hundred percent sure if many people that are currently seeing in Canberra do have a no idea how much potential there is for the for Australian businesses in the aftermarket industry, and I think that's something that, through the Senate inquiry and also just my background In the motoring enthusiast party is something that we definitely like to bring a lot more light to. It has to be said that when you were elected was it was quite a surprise to all of us at one point during that fateful night, did you suddenly realize? Oh, my god, this is actually going to happen. I think I got a phone call around about 11-1130. At night I had been outside sitting by a fire and thinking in 2016 i'll be doing this again and by bad 11-1130 that night I've got a phone call. It looks like we want to see. It looks like, as in Victoria looks like it's you, so it was about that point. My whole life just got absolutely turned upside down, but for the better I have the opportunity to represent motoring enthusiasts and support the industry. The aftermarket industry in Australia and really as such an honor, it was an interesting reception. You got from both the media and from your colleagues I mean: do you think? 

Do you think this is something about the state of Australian politics when you know sort of average people like yourself and you know doing said people I Jacqui Lambie know they get they get into into Parliament supposedly to represent. You know us the people and, it seems to be it seems, to be a quite a shock to the system to the old school. It is as a major shock to the system. I think there's certain aspects of the media which thought what is going on here and, of course, a lot of the public as well, but the reality is twenty-five percent they're about to the population. We'Re voting elsewhere so means something something is going on, and it's not that the system's broken is that people are voting elsewhere rather than just with the major party. So it is very interesting to iron, Australian politics and I'm very happy to be part of it. What do you think that the the impact of a show like this will be on the on the inquiry we've had you've had members as other members that Xenophon and those coming around having a look today? What are your things? Are they going to get out of this? What food back are you get into the reaction to all of this? I have to catch up with people at the end of the day. That'S so far that you know walking around centered the Senators in upon and senator Carr. Both of them already have a strong interest in the automotive sector and they're very passionate about it. Just like myself also senator Madigan that there is a lot of people who have interests that they're following the committee or the inquiry, and they really want to do the very best lake in this. As far as what the show is going to do for politics today, Phylly there's a fair bit of media and it really highlights the important and how big it is because it is an industry that is already successful. But there is plenty more room to grow and we, as politicians need to do everything we can to help this sector grow, especially with the demise of manufacturer vehicle manufacturing. Here in Australia, senator Muir has the chance to catch up with one of the country's most popular racing. Drivers in craig lowndes land spent some time with the senator who was very keen to get behind the wheel of the Formula. 

 You know very important, obviously for us in the race car, with the suspension we use their shock absorbers and their clutches, but of course, is f, as a company do far more than just race car stuff. They do a lot of road cars transmissions for buses and trucks, boats, everything else. So it's a it's great to be here. You had an association with the company for quite some years. How important is it for a drive? It has these sort of these personal relationships. Rather than just what's with the team, oh look, it's always really important. I think that's you know to having a close association and really, as I said, it's obviously close to our heart because of the racing side of it. But then, when you actually dove into the actual business and the the company itself and understand exactly how diverse they are and what they do and how they go about their business and really look for me, it's really been a great. You know partnership with sacks or ZF and to come here to the stands in the conference. It'S really nice to meet so many people, especially this industry, very close to home. For me, I'm a qualified motor mechanic, so understanding all this side of it and seeing what's around here, but it's great to be on the stand, and you know sharing some information and obviously some stories about my life growing up and and what we're doing you've had An interesting start to the season in the v8 supercar ranks. You'Ve also resigned for another year with with Triple Eight, I believe, but also we've seen Shane van gisbergen, who also be at this particular. This particular show tomorrow has signed with the team phoenicia happy that dynamic will work with the three of you with yourself, Jamie and now Shane. I think it'll be great. I think there's no doubt that a team were wanting to expand. Having Shane come on board. He'S are young and we know he's fast. You know to get him into the into the umbrella of red, bull racing, Australia, which has been fantastic and again. We expand in engineering, we'll see, expand with the data knowledge and everything else, like most, other teams have done. Hrt FP are doing it so for us as a team, it's probably a normal transition, but you know it's going to be tough to get everything all aligned. 

You know, as I said, we got after being in another car. Another engineer: another crew, you know, have two transporters transporting the cars around. So it is, you know, a big growth for the team, but its its growth that I think the team can sustain and really looking forward to. You know spending yet another couple years with the team and hopefully getting some more victories. Apart from your video super car racing, we're also going to see you back at the spa 24 hour. We also were hoping to see what LeMond this year. I believe that fell through what happened there. You just sort of just didn't come off this year. I think that's you know. Every year the start of every year, we obviously be very mindful of what the v8 calendar looks like and if we can get an opportunity make sure the doors open which it is this year, but we just didn't quite get the the invite all that. Well, I suppose an opportunity to be at lamont, so look will look for next year, but to go back to spar again. This year is something I was really keen having a great opportunity last year and we drove with AF Corse or in the Ferrari. You know Steve white owned the car. You know it was like. I was lucky enough to get an invite through him to get over there and experience a 24 hour, which is I haven't experienced before 12 hour about. This is the only thing I've ever done so to go through. That period was really good, but this year we go back as an Australian team with the Lamborghini Roger logo and the guys that ran their last year is so you know it's good to go back. He'S going to have a brand new car and i'm really excited now having 12 months of experience or being over there to our months ago. It'S give me great experience and knowledge going back again issue. A lot of people make the comparison between spire and Bathurst. I mean you've had lots of experience at Bathurst. From your point of view. What is the similarity?

 Oh look. I think there's no doubt that you know the characteristics of coming out of turn, one going down through erosion and up camel straight, very similar to it. A lot of aspects of Bathurst, you know the elevation changes. Huge high speed is incredibly, you know far, especially down around the back section, where, like a GT, car you're, almost flat, nearly everywhere around the back section, but it's just that flowing feeling nature. I'M going through the forestry down around the back, you know it very similar feel that we get its pathos. As I said, the elevation change is quite remarkable and you know bathos do 12 hours got ta spa do 24 hours. I think it's you know again, it'll be a be an eye-opener. Of course. This year you didn't. Do the bathurst well veo, like all of the way guys I mean looking back at that I mean how upset were all you guys about having to miss that that race, I looking down to 12 hour, you know, is great opportunity for all the race drivers to Be maybe part of it is our local track in a sense now we understand it very well. So we have a great opportunity to do well against the European teams and drivers say: look. He was disappointing. It was the nature of the beast. Unfortunately, you know again we'll sit down and wait to see what the calendar brings out for next year, but I know there's a lot of drivers out there, especially in v8 world they'd like to you, get the opportunity to go back for the 12-hour next year. If the day becomes free and available what about the rise of duty racing around the world, I mean. Is this something you're looking at long term, I mean you know we're not trying to retire. You not before your time, but I mean. Are you looking at the end game now? Are you looking at the point of our perhaps just winding back eventually from v8, some apps doing some of these bucket list events? Oh, look. I'Ve always had the bucket list. Events on on my radar just a matter having the opportunities to do them so to go back to spar last year was was one of them lamaze, definitely another one. I'D like to do but ye around the world GT cars and the category are definitely growing, and you know we see it here in Australia. The cars are nice to drive they're very different to drive than a v8 supercar, but VI supercar is where you know. That'S my you know primary, you know job role or you know, industry that I love being involved in, and you know, takes me all around around the world anyway cut the v8 car is very hard and very difficult to drive in the sense it doesn't have abs. It doesn't have traction control. We have more horsepower to play with with a smaller tire, so tire longevity is always a big key to part of it. So you know there's a different aspects of different racing, but you know for me: I'm just really enjoying both sides of it. 99 wins. How important is the Android? I look. You know it'd be great to get the ton up. I think that any cricket player says if you get 100, runs in any cricket, especially whether it's a test or a one-day or it's. You know it's quite a special moment for you and I think it will be the same. Apart from all the bling on the show floor, there was also action outside the exhibition center with a fully operational Dino Dino from in pit lane supporters Dino dynamics, dinah, dynamic, CEO alan evans was also on hand in his role as a board. Member of the performance, racing and tuning council of australia well we're here with alan evans, the managing director of dino dynamics here at the australian automotive aftermarket expo and Alan, can you tell us what your exhibit in here at the expo this week? Well, what we're doing is we're actually doing to think we're actually showing our a product in the stand here, but also outside we've actually got a real live demo doing demonstrations for anyone who comes to the show and wants to see what a diner does and what It can do more importantly, but also got some of our new products. We'Ve got our new fuel system. Analyzer we've got a new taco. We'Ve got our new obd2 kit, which enables the operator to get more and more data from a car, diagnose, more faults and fix them, which is the important thing that they want to do for customers. But also we've put a brochure out about our new Daytona model, which we've designed particularly for the states where they've got these big pickup trucks with seven liter supercharged motors. It can do 325, kilometer now two and a half thousand horsepower and can take a truck with a track width of a hundred inches, which is a pretty big track within the u.s.. So obviously, the international market is important for a company like Dino dynamics, and you think that overall, we've seen lots of politicians running around here today talking about the Australian automotive industry in the future of it. Do you think that they appreciate just how potentially big this? This whole industry could be and how benefit beneficial it could be for Australia. Frankly, no, I don't think they do understand that a company like ours is manufacturing in australia exporting to the world, and we don't get one dollar of government assistance and in fact, when we encounter problems like we do in the states where they make life difficult. For you, even though there's a free trade agreement, don't get much response out of government to try and overcome those hurdles and, of course the u.s. is a very competitive market. I know companies go to their politicians to stop companies like ours having fair competition, but the Australian politicians wandered around pat themselves on the back, but don't do a great deal to make sure a company like ours xq. It'S a fair go on companies like the states. We do a good in asia and that's because we don't have as much competition and the asian market is growing for us and will be a very significant market in the future. But again it's something of the Australian politicians. Don'T watch out they'll take our products. They'Ll. Take our ideas and they'll build their own. You mentioned the Dino. You'Ve got outside the Dynatec dino. One of the things that people have been looking at is the fact that you've just got it basically throwing down in the car park there. It'S all set up. Tell us about that. I mean you, don't need to bolt it down, you just bring it in and set it up balance it in the way you go absolutely look. It'S very easy. Each of our sales engineers has won an event and they can turn up at a workshop. Have it on the ground at current and 15 minutes and show p what it can do. We'Ve designed it purposely to make it flexible and mobile for workshops, so they can put in the workshop. They can shift it round if they like, doesn't take up space when they're not using it. But, very importantly, it's very easy to use it's very easy to set up and it's a very, very economical unit, 35 thousand dollars for a dyno in this day and age. Is it a spectacular price and a workshop can learn so much more money from using a diner finding faults, diagnosing those faults and fixing them and making customers happy? Well. If people want to find out more about your products where delay on the web, they go wwwdcom. What I you - and it will tell them where we are where our diners are, but, more importantly, all our new products we're making go kart diners, we're making motorcycle dinos. We made a brand new, go kart dino for the Asian market. Now I'm sure there's a lot of Australian go cutters when they realize you can get a chassis dyno. You can take to an event, tune your card on it and make yourself more competitive. We'Ll see some of the Australian go cutters, buy it. What we look forward to seeing that, but for now Ellen Evans, thanks for joining us once again on in pit lane, thanks Brett love pit lane happy to sponsor it, and we hope to see you more and more. On community TV, the brtc staged its regular expo networking night with guest speaker came CEO, Eugenia rocker. Will you join? You was talk to the members of the prtc tonight about the results of the of the km survey. We did touch over in a past episode of in pit lane, but in a nutshell I mean what did you find? Well, we found what we thought was very, which is a major economic kick or power: 2.7 billion dollars of direct industry output. 16,000 employees, 155,000 participants. We got some clout, motorsport matters, we've always suspected that, but to actually have instant young spend nearly a year doing all the surveying and all the information bring it back to us and presented. The government has raised some eyebrows, that's pretty good exciting. So what sort of responsive you had from government so far I mean, has it surprised them or they are they looked at and they still don't care anyway? I know it's time to get a witness time to get a feel for it. We took Jamie Whincup to parliament house in December and announced it and they certainly raised her eyebrows and what we've been doing since, when is being one-on-ones with selected members of parliament, senators and mp's, federal and state. It'S open up the doors, it's actually open up the doors for motorsport and various levels, including councils. We missed that they say. Well. How can we make this happen? You know well how about other tracks? Where do we need to spend the money you know? How can we support Daniel? What are you doing for junior participation? So I think it's been a wonderful opportunity in a tool for us to open those doors or previously were not quite closed, but weren't exactly open. You mentioned the tracks, the situation with tracks as interesting. We'Ve seen over the past sort of a couple of decades, the closure of many tracks and the opening of virtually none at all. If we keep going like that, we're going to run out of tracks fairly soon, how can we haven't, we actually develop tracks and what sort of tracks are we going to develop too, because it certainly every time people seem to talk about tracks, they're talking about something That could possibly run sort of a Grand Prix and that's truly not what we need is a no-look come. That is the biggest challenge for our industry. Our membership numbers are growing. Our events are growing. Our permited sanction events are all growing how officials are growing. We don't have a home from to go and compete and to gon na officiate. We telling government, if you don't continue if you don't start to support councils in getting even rudimentary tracks basic tracks, ballarat they're interested in helping up a 12 or 13 clubs in Ballarat. But we are saying to them, build something basic but have the master plan, but incorporates a national track, because we believe, sadly, is a couple of tracks in Victoria, but ain't going to be there in about three or five years. We need to replace that track and it's a three to five year journey, so you're right we're losing more than we're getting, but we do need to build tracks basic with the opportunity to build up if we can continue to sell the story about the power of Motorsport we spoke to steward charity and he mentioned the possibility of a of a motorsport precinct and a high-performance precinct as they have in Europe. What was i suppose? We call it the the carbon fiber triangle in around Silverstone. This is obviously something you're looking at in the show tonight. The came centre of excellence. How far are you on the path to getting that up and running? I look I'd, be foolish. I'D be a fool if I said it's around the corner: it's going to take a lot of work, a lot of lobbying, a lot of government interaction, but this country's got a particularly strong and long history in motorsport. As you know, you know better than I would, and I just think that for a country we produced an f1 champion, we equivalent of an f1 champion in 1960s and hasn't done anything since in terms of being involved in the industry. As a manufacturer or builder of cars, it's it's a shame, and so is it possible absolutely? Is it going to happen in the next three to five years? No, but we have to talk it up. The more you talk it up the more the opportunity. The government will start to say well, we've got a couple of hundred million dollars. We want to invest in a local region, let's see if we can make it happen, so I've put it out there because I do believe it's possible and the big driver will be hit the asia-pacific. If we build a motorsport park. What we felt was just good for Victoria we're kidding ourselves we're going to build something but is actually interactive with the rest of the Asia Pacific area, and I think that will be the major attraction for any government, federal or state to have that opportunity at their Doorstep, you mentioned the possibility of one day, Australian building a Formula one yet again, but what about? After that? Those lower levels I mean in terms of encouraging people, was it ever raised about the possibility of Australia building its own car for something like formula for which could be used around the asia-pacific region. It'S one of my great disappointment. I should say that we've had to deal with formula for and overseas companies it. Wouldn'T it be wonderful if we could get a chassis built in Australia by an Australian company, the technology ain't bad. I'M sure that we've got companies in the skin in this country. That could quite readily get FAA approval to build the necessary chassis or the engine, so somewhat disappointing that we had to buy them from overseas that they can engines from overseas to ship them in that cost money which we're going to recover in the long run. But it's it's almost it's almost a snapshot of where we are, but we weren't able to produce our own formula for cars when BFI has been talking about this for two to four years. So it's a very good comment and I support you in entirely we'd love to think the next iteration and if four cars are going to be Australian mate. So why didn't that happen I mean, did you did you contact local constructors, people like spectrum and the like, and talk to them, because we have seen in Formula SAE, which is an area that we've been involved in a lot of very advanced chassis construction with with Carbon fiber and that could be used, I think we answered about is no reality is that these companies would have been. It should have been aware of ef-4 opportunity and most of them probably didn't seize the opportunity. We still have residual push back on form of the Ford, so a lot of people who could be building form of the fours and building formula Ford's, there's gon na, have to be a point in time. When, hopefully, they'll start to say, we will put our hands up, perform at a forum or go and speak to the FAA will go and get a tick and we'll go and support be Australian industry. So the answer your question is, we didn't think there was an appetite and they're probably still isn't an appetite, but Crocky I'd be disappointed if we couldn't get an F for up before we got an f1 up. The performance, racing and tuning council also announced the results of its industry survey into the economic impact of motorsport on the local aftermarket and tuning industry. We have 221 members of the PRT, see we actually surveyed those guys or those businesses, and what was quite interesting to us was that the vast majority have under five employees. You know the other thing too. Is we have the other part of the spectrum where we have 50 plus employees just looking after the motorsport side of things? In terms of sales, we can have some businesses turning over 50 million dollars plus and the best part about this particular survey found that we export to some of the low cost countries in the world, which really does go to show that engineering in Australia is alive And well, of course, as you said to you, we're now in moving more into the Asian market, we've covered races as far away as inner mongolia. I mean we've attended a place like ordos and and then closer to home at Macau and Malaysia, and we see it growing and the potential there is enormous. Do you think that the both the industry and the government understand the incredible potential that we have in our own region? No, I think I think the industry does, I think, increasingly, the government is starting to come on board with it. You know there is some money. That'S being shelved at the moment for the for the automated transition fund and we're certainly hopeful to unlock some of that, not for the double a double a but, more importantly, for the businesses to ensure that they have a future. So what about the company's joining the the PR to see I mean, what's the role that you play in the in the industry are so what we do is we actually convene, and we make sure that all issues that are raised and we raised another one. Of course, this evening with we bring it to a constitution to make sure that we can bring the issues two or four and and try and solve many of the issues. Of course we're not God we don't. We don't quite perceive that at any stretch of the imagination, but we do try and bring all of the issues to the table and rectify them as best we can. The other issue you did touch on tonight was regarding suspension and cars with electronic stability control. Where do we stand on that? At the moment? It'S been a big issue over the past few years. Yes, so the double a double a and many of its partners spent just over a quarter of a million dollars just recently testing six vehicles in the United States. In California, we have we passed all those tests, i'm pleased to say so. We actually rate we checked, raised vehicles as well as lowered vehicles, and so we're now formulating that information, sending it to federal regulators, and we have an understanding federal regulators will remove a stipulation from the national code of practice. Well, that's good news for everybody, for the industry and also for the enthusiast best of luck with it, but for now Rob thanks for joining us in pit lane. Ah, thank you. The us-based SEMA Show in Las Vegas is the granddaddy of all aftermarket expose scene. Where is the Specialty Equipment Manufacturers, Association of the United States and they were represented at the triple-a expo by Linda Spencer? I get a great job this week to just come in been in Australia in 15 years, and so I just wanted to come and be able to see how the markets developing and also Australians make the huge effort that 30, our trip to the states - and so I just wanted to come and be able to network here as well. We'Ve heard and we've seen on our show a number for a number of years. The PRI show is very well known here. A frenzy has done an awful lot of work in promoting it. We'Re all aware of sumer, it's a very famous show, but for people who aren't aware of what the what the show is about in a nutshell, what is it yeah? The SEMA show was really a fashion fashion institution for cars. Everything about vehicles, the latest, the greatest for vehicles and it's an international - show only trade 130,000 people from every country in the world, including Australia, so Australia companies are looking to get involved. I mean how do they get involved in how to the is there room there for them, I mean: are you hoping to have more Australian exhibitors there, so yeah Australians can come for two in two ways one would be as an exhibitor and yep. Now is the time if companies are interested to sign up for a booth now and, of course, also as a visitor, so both they're welcome to come both as an exhibitor and as an attendee one of the things I suppose seamer the show is a very public Face of the organization but SEMA does an awful lot of work behind the scenes in terms of lobbying government we've probably heard tonight from Kames that it's been a very difficult job. Getting that sort of thing done in Australia. What about in the united states? Emma has had quite a bit of success. What advice would you give the equivalence here in Australia, I've seen great strides here in Australia, with the double a double a going and and really working with the government and doing exactly what they have been doing, which is ongoing? You really need to be educating legislators. They can't necessarily know about your industry gathering statistics on why it's important to the economy, two jobs and then really working with them on technical advice, how to make the best laws. You know siemens been around for over 50 years and it's really hard for them to come up with a concern that we haven't dealt with already. So what we do has have off-the-shelf solutions, they bring up an issue and we can work with them on how to address their issue in the least restrictive way. So what is the environment over in the united states? At the moment? We'Ve got with environmental issues. Road safety issues and all that, as far as the enthusiast market goes, is this something: what are we holding our own? Are we continuing, as does the future look bright in the US, sir yeah, so in the US on the economy is really picking up and it'll be really reflected. You'Ll see each year that the SEMA Show is is getting bigger and it's not bigger in the sense of numbers, but in just the enthusiasm, that's building and it's because the market is really coming back and growing and for the industry you're we're really working. As you are here to get young people involved in the industry because that's the future, and so when you can really rope them in, we do things like the Builder. The engine builder contests other things to attract young people to come in the industry, and it takes a lot of the veterans in the industry to work with these young people teach them how to work on engines and do it in a safe way. So if people want any more information on the SEMA Show and see we're in general, where do they go on the web? That'S a good question at SEMA show calm and for anything international seminar, class international. Well, it's certainly on the bucket list of a lot of us in rice, myself included and hopefully we'll see you over there very soon before now, Linda our safe trip back to the United States and thanks for joining us in pit lane. Thanks so much for giving me the chance to talk with you thanks the expo shed floor space with the Australian collision repair Expo a showcase of paint panel and crash repair equipment and skills. A special guest for this year's show was us custom, car legend and host of the popular TV show overhaul and Chip Foose. One of the stars here at the Australian automotive aftermarket Expo is awestruck is American custom college and Chip Foose, and also the host of the popular program overhauling into chip. Welcome to welcome to the triple-a expo tell us, sir, what are you doing here for the weekend? Who here for well, i'm here with 3m and we've actually been going around to some of the different shops and visiting with people that use 3m products? And I give a little speech. I talk about how my you know how my career got started and the fact that i started using 3m products over 40 years ago, when i started in my father's shop and the innovation technology and the advancements that 3m makes with their with their products. You know they make the best product in the world, but the fact that they continue to make it better and better and better is what allows us to get better and better and better. Because i've always said if you want to do your best use the best. So I'm lucky - and I feel blessed that I get to be here with 3m - get to meet all these great people and say hello and sign an autograph for them. But it's been a wonderful show and first time to Melbourne - and I hope I get to come back sometime - I want to bring the family and actually maybe go tour and visit some more of Australia. Of course, there are sort of classic modes in in custom cars around the world, but it also happens to be sort of subject to trends and fashions. What'S the latest you coming out of the United States now what are the trends that we're seeing over there? Well, it's funny you ask me that, because, if there's a trend that I see, I will turn and run 180 degrees from it. 

I never want to do anything. That'S trendy. I want to focus on good design because it's so expensive to build a car like the cars that we build, that I don't want a customer two, three or four years from now. I think they need to upgrade their car and do something different, because it's starting to look old if you do good design, 20 or 30 years from now that car is still beautiful and that's what I try to focus on. We'Ve got a problem here in Australia with the modified Carson. I think it was similar some states in the United States as well, where it's becoming increasingly difficult to modify the cabbages of government regulations, Environmental Protection, that sort of thing as custom car enthusiasts. I mean what can we do in order to keep our our passion for these sorts of individual cars going? Well, I think that will be determined by the aftermarket in the industry and the people that own these companies that are building parts they're going to find out what they need to do to stay up on it and to work with the manufacturers so that they can Continue to allow cars to be personalized well, you've got a whole lot of people waiting to get your autograph now, but thanks for giving us some time and enjoy your short time in Australia. Hopefully you see your back foot for now. Chip Foose thanks for joining us in pit lane. Thank you rat pleasure to see you after a few tough years where the local industry has lost not one, not two, but three major auto manufacturers you'd almost be expecting an air of doom and gloom at the expo. However, the feeling of optimism that filled this year's Expo was palpable. Sadly, this enthusiasm does not seem to be shared by the current Australian government, who seem quite content to just sit back and let the industry wither and die. Hopefully, the energy and optimism clearly evident in this year's Expo may be able to change their minds: more power, better fuel economy, a cleaner, more efficient engine they're. Just a few of the advantages of having your cartoon on a dyno tech dino to find your nearest Dino tech workshop go to Dino com, au, Dino, tech by dino dynamics. 

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